“Circus” In Parliament? Avoidable, if only…
I have read some news report regarding the first day proceeding in Parliament on 30.4.2008. Also, met some voters who shared their views about the session which was live telecast.
There were some positive and negative response. What then is my thoughts and feelings about the said session? This is Chamber of Thoughts. :0
The exchanges between the opposition, BN and the Speaker could have been avoided and taken shorter time, if only, equal respect is accorded to each other.
The Parliamentary report (Hansard) is already up on the website at www.parlimen.gov.my. Please click on it and read for yourself.
It started with Karpal Singh asking the Speaker about the validity of the swearing in on 28.4.2008. Some may say that why did Karpal raise it now, 2 days later? I am not going to speak for him. The little I know about Karpal, he reads. He still reads the standing order (rule of the House) and brings along with him. Most of us, hardly do so.
He raised it as point of order politely. If the Speaker had replied him properly, taking into consideration of the said point raised instead of giving back by saying the following:-
Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Bukit Gelugor, hal angkat
sumpah ini sudah pun selesai dua hari yang lalu. [Tepuk] Semua mengiktiraf bahawa
yang mengangkat sumpah itu sudah sah menjadi Ahli-ahli Parlimen.
Tuan R. Karpal Singh [Bukit Gelugor]: Ini perkara yang boleh nullify…
Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Saya tidak berpendapat begitu, Yang Berhormat Bukit
Gelugor. Kita masih ada lagi perkara-perkara yang hendak dibincang dalam Parlimen
ini perkara yang penting daripada perkara seperti begitu. Saya sudah buat keputusan,
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Yang Berhormat daripada Bukit Gelugor, dan saya rasa keputusan saya adalah
muktamad. Angkat sumpah itu semuanya sah.
Tuan R. Karpal Singh [Bukit Gelugor]: [Masih meneruskan percakapan tanpa
menggunakan pembesar suara]
Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli Yang Berhormat daripada Bukit Gelugor, saya
sudah buat keputusan. Itu adalah precedentnya daripada dahulu bukan yang baru
dibuat.
Tuan R. Karpal Singh [Bukit Gelugor]: Bukankah precedent itu pun illegal,
tidak sah. Semua tidak sah.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Saya sudah buat keputusan bahawa ia sah dan itu
adalah keputusan saya. [Tepuk]
Tuan R. Karpal Singh [Bukit Gelugor]: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bolehkah saya
dapat sebab-sebabnya di mana keputusan Tuan Yang di-Pertua adalah sah.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat termasuk Yang Berhormat
Bukit Gelugor, apabila Speaker bercakap dalam persidangan harus semua diam. Itu
peraturan tetap. Apa yang dibangkitkan oleh Yang Berhormat Bukit Gelugor adalah
peraturan point of order, peraturan tetap. Saya juga telah membuat keputusan bahawa
semua yang mengangkat sumpah pada hari itu semuanya sah dan keputusan saya
adalah muktamad, dan tidak boleh untuk disoalkan lagi. Itu keputusan muktamad.
Kalau umpamanya
I would sum it as the lack of due respect given to the point raised by an opposition. At that point of time, I still could tolerate the reply.
Then, came the second point of order, seeking for clarification of the sitting of YB Pasir Mas. In the recent general election, Datuk Ibrahim Ali contested Pasir Mas seat on the ticket of PAS, and now, he is listed as an Independent in the House. How come the MP for Sg Siput and MP of Wangsa Maju are seated as MP from PKR?
Is it that one has a choice to decide in such a situation? It was reported that MP for Bachok, Nasharuddin said that Datuk Ibrahim Ali is an independent MP, he was not bound by Pakatan’s whip.
On the ballot paper, Ibrahim Ali used the PAS logo. Correct me if I am wrong.
The Speaker decides on the sitting of MPs. In such a scenario, Datuk Ibrahim Ali has some kind of “flexibility”? As such, the point of order raised by Karpal, the Speaker needs to clarify.
The Speaker could have requested for some time to ponder at the point raised by Karpal and get back to him later.
Thirdly, you have the point of order raised by Azmin Ali, MP for Gombak regarding the listing of the question in the order paper. Azmin Ali asked the speaker why the question raised by the Opposition Leader was not listed as question No. 1 and this is about respect and recognition to her position.
The Speaker replied that he has only endorsed the YB Permatang Pauh, awhile ago. Further, he only received the letter of appointment from the leaders of opposition leader last evening. He was sworn in two days ago. He asked for time. He went on to agree with the argument raised by YB Kinabatangan that there is no rule provided in the Standing Order regarding the point raised by Azmin Ali.
Acceptable reply from the Speaker?
It is my views that those were only excuses. It is not acceptable to me.
Correct me if I am wrong. It was known to the public that YB Permatang Pauh is the opposition leader before the session starts. Her seat is first row and facing the PM direct. That is an opposition leader’s seat.
Further, she was invited to the luncheon with the Yang Di Pertuan Agong during the opening ceremony of the Parliament on Tuesday.
In short, long before the swearing in, it was to public knowledge that Datin Seri Wan Azizah will be the opposition leader, but, funny, it was not to the knowledge of the Speaker.
If only, he gives equal respect to the opposition.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat, kalau Ahli-ahli Yang
Berhormat semua membuat peranan seperti begini, pada hari ini negara Malaysia
tertumpu pada Dewan yang mulia ini. Yang dibangkitkan ini adalah soal-soal teknikal
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dan remeh, sedangkan soalan-soalan yang kita akan jawab, soalan yang akan
dikemukakan adalah lebih penting daripada soalan-soalan remeh.
Keputusan saya adalah baru tadi dimasyhurkan bahawa wakil rakyat daripada
Permatang Pauh adalah sah sebagai Ketua Pembangkang. [Tepuk].
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Surat itu yang ditandatangani oleh semua ketua-ketua parti, baru saya terima
petang kelmarin. Maka segala apa urusan mesyuarat mengenai dengan soalan-soalan
ini, harus Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat sedia maklum bahawa saya baru angkat sumpah
sebagai Tuan Yang di-Pertua dua hari yang lalu. Bagilah peluang kepada Tuan Yang
di-Pertua. Lama lagi ini bertahun-tahun. Mudah-mudahan.
Tuan Mohamed Azmin bin Ali [Gombak]: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin
pohon penjelasan.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Sudahlah Yang Berhormat, sudah.
Tuan Mohamed Azmin bin Ali [Gombak]: Apakah Tuan Yang di-Pertua
memberi jaminan, mulai esok Tuan Yang di-Pertua akan teliti semula urutan Pertanyaan
Lisan dalam Dewan Rakyat.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Sudah. Sebelum saya memanggil untuk soalan pertama
dipanggil, saya bersetuju dengan Yang Berhormat Kinabatangan bahawa tidak ada
termaktub pun dalam peraturan tetap soalan mana yang perlu wujud didahulukan.
[Dewan riuh][Tepuk] Ini adalah soal convention. Soal political convention, tetapi itu pun
tertakluk kepada budi bicara Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Jadi itu adalah kuasa Tuan Yang di-
Pertua. Jadi untuk tidak menghabiskan masa lagi, sekarang kita tumpukan perhatian
kepada soalan-soalan yang telah dikemukakan oleh wakil rakyat. Soalan pertama,
Tuan Razali bin Haji Ibrahim.
Fourthly, the point of order raised regarding the decision of the Speaker not to allow any supplementary question.
It was the first meeting after the general election on March 8. This is the first time the PM took the time off to attend this first day Parliamentary meeting after the opening ceremony by he King. Previously, he was not seen in the House the next day after the opening ceremony by the King.
It is unsual for the first time Speaker to make such a decision not to allow supplementary question to a question which is going to be reply by the Prime Minister, who was here to answer the question personally.
Do you expect the opposition MPs to just keep queit about such decision of the Speaker? It was a rare opportunity to have the PM to be here to answer questions. (previously). I do not see him today. He gave the reason that much time has been wasted earlier. To me, that was unacceptable.
He changed his decision the moment the PM said he is willing to answer one or two supplementary question.
If only the Speaker was giving the equal respect to opposition MPs, all the time which he claimed has been wasted for raising technical and minor matter, could have been avoided.
Yang di-Pertua: Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat, kalau Ahli-ahli Yang
Berhormat semua membuat peranan seperti begini, pada hari ini negara Malaysia
tertumpu pada Dewan yang mulia ini. Yang dibangkitkan ini adalah soal-soal teknikal
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dan remeh, sedangkan soalan-soalan yang kita akan jawab, soalan yang akan
dikemukakan adalah lebih penting daripada soalan-soalan remeh.
Fifthly,the question submitted by MP for Kinabatangan was more than 40 words. This is against the rules of the House. However, it was allowed to be listed as question no. 2 of the order paper. Why? This is a minor and technical matter?
Here is the reply by the Speaker:-
Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Saya sudah tahu apa maksud point of order yang Yang
Berhormat bangkitkan tadi. Saya tahu. Tapi apabila sesuatu soalan telah dimasukkan
dalam kertas Peraturan Mesyuarat, bermakna Pejabat Tuan Yang di-Pertua telah
menimbangkan supaya ianya boleh dimasukkan kerana nanti ada mungkin daripada
pihak Yang Berhormat pula yang bertanya panjang sikit, pun kalau kita timbang, perlu
untuk dijawab oleh Menteri kerana kepentingan rakyat maka kita pun masukkan juga lah
pada masa-masa akan datang.
Despite the rule of the House stated clearly that a question for Oral Reply shall not exceed forty words, the Speaker gave the reason that it was for the interest of the people and as such inserted it into the order paper.
In other words, the Speaker have the discretion to apply the rules of the House and the concept of “in the interest of the people” on case to case basis?
If so, why did he reject the emergency motion raised by MP for Kubang Kerian. The emergency motion was about the agreement of the Petroleum royalty.
The Speaker rejected the motion on the ground that it was not an urgent matter for debate and said the MP could raise it during the debate of motion of thanks to the King. Isn’t the issue raised by MP of Kubang Kerian is in the interest of the people, by applying the concept which he applied earlier in allowing the question of YB Kinabatangan.
The hansard for 30.4.2008 is up on the website. Please read the details, if you are interested.
I have used the key word search on the said hansard. I did not search for my name but the word “kuasa”. The Speaker used 20 times the word “kuasa” (power).
Thus I conclude that, if only, the Speaker and all MPs respect each others role in the House FOR the People and Nation, I believe the meeting would have proceeded smoothly.
Certainly, I disagree with the name callings.
The BN have been having more than 2/3 majority and they are so used to “running” the House they manner they want it. They are not used to having 81 opposition MPs in the House. If the opposition MPs just kept quiet and did not raise the said point of orders, they will continue to disregard the rules and set more bad precedents.
In Parliament, the BN must now learn the element of giving equal respect to opposition in the House. In an interview, the Speaker call on the MPs to stick to the rules (NST, 26.4.2008)I do hope the Speaker will also discharge his duties for the interest of the People and Nation.
I hope there will not be a motion be moved to suspend me for writing this thoughts of mine here, in my Chamber of Thoughts.:)

Thanks for the clear parliamentary insight
So that unfair accusations can take flight
It’s not the question who has greater might
But who can make logical decisions bright
(C) Samuel Goh Kim Eng - 050508
http://MotivationInMotion.blogspot.com
Mon. 5th May 2008.
Comment by Samuel Goh Kim Eng — May 5, 2008 @ 4:32 pm
Po Kuan,
Your analysis & views give me a different perspective of what happened. Thanks.
I saw Tony Pua on TV yesterday, & it seems that our MPs lack experience. However, we do hope that the coalition parties can be more united & be a credible opposition.
And why should there be a motion to suspend you?
Comment by peisheah — May 5, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
You are absolutely right the speaker is slightly inclined,
but Malaysia has got these tendencies since independence. They have no act of chivalries to uphold what is truth and falcifying. A crying shame, well I guess I have already got the results of the next general election : Never BN…
Comment by ANM — May 5, 2008 @ 4:54 pm
And why should there be a motion to suspend you?
Comment by peisheah — May 5, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
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Oh… Do you not know that YB Batu Gajah is perhaps one of the most frequently suspended MP in the house? and the reason was as ridiculous as the one suggested by her in this piece of writing…
Comment by Zurena — May 5, 2008 @ 6:43 pm
Hello Po Kuan dun make our Holy Parlimen become a Zoo lah, my friend from singapore laugh at me about this terrible, u shold bring a healthy culture to the parlimen instead jointing other people in shouting, learn from UK not taiwan, i know taiwan even worst
Comment by Jason ANG — May 5, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
Circus or no circus, I think the present Federal Govt needs to “ubah” and I mean change. This means that come 2013 or even earlier, the present nitwits - including the speakers and many of the MPs must be voted out. For a start, MP for Kinabatangan continues to lead the backbenchers. What a farce.
Comment by Jeffrey Chew — May 6, 2008 @ 5:54 am
whats new YB Fong? The speaker is appointed by BN and you should expect this kind of unfair advantage given to BN. Just be patient, the next GE PR will topple BN and the new PR appointed speaker will give these BN goondos the same treatment!
Comment by jbgun — May 6, 2008 @ 9:58 am
The Speaker’s appointment looks like a political bargaining result to me. Before his appointment, the East Malaysians were unhappy with the ministerial post allocation. The PM flew over there while there were words flying around about people crossing over to PR…..
It is better to have the Deputy from Pakatan Rakyat for fairness sake.
Comment by lee wee tak — May 6, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
I am publishing the question that I hope will be asked in Parliament because Judge Zainon binti Mohd. Ali had abused her powers and I hope to come to KL to confront her. I know that I will be charged like RPK, but I need to put right that Judge Zainon binti Mohd. Ali had not effectively achieved the striking out of Petition. My wife’s petition in the circumstances is still ACTIVE and need to be tried in court.
QUESTIONS FOR PARLIAMENTRY QUESTION TIME
I refer to the High Court at Kuala Lumpur Originating Petition No. D2-26-41 OF 2001 ; Lim Choi Yin v. McLaren Saksama (Malaysia) Sdn. Bhd and to the adjudicating Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali, of said Petition. According to CHARGES made by one Yap Chong Yee husband of Petitioner Lim Choi Yin, Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali had 1st approved all 6 Respondents’ application for security for costs in the sum of Rm.60,000 and upon payment of said security for costs of said Rm.60,000, Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali followed up the receipt of said Rm.60,000 by the approval to Respondent Stephen Lim Cheng Ban a 2nd and subsequent application by Respondent Stephen Lim Cheng Ban for an Order to strike out said Petition.
The second and subsequent Application for an order to strike out said Petition was made even without there being any court order for the SETTING ASIDE of the 1st order for securing said Rm/60,000 for security for costs pursuant to the 1st order made by Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali. That being the facts of the case my question directed to the attention of the Malaysian Attorney General Tan Seri……. Are the following :
(1)Was not the conduct of Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali’s approval of Mr Stephen Lim Cheng Ban’s 2nd and subsequent application to strike out said Petition, while the said cash of Rm60,000 security for costs was still held in the hands of all 6 respondents to the petition, pursuant to the order made by Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali to petitioner to provide security for costs constitute ABUSE OF POWER ?
Will the Attorney General investigate Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali for the criminal charge of ABUSE OF POWER & MALFEASANCE and will the Attorney General, if upon investigation find that sufficient evidence exist to support a criminal Charge against Judge Zainon binti Mohd. Ali for abuse of power and/or FOR MALFEASANCE proceed to lay criminal charges against Judge Zainon for a criminal prosecution ?
(2)Is it not the case that while Respondent Stephen Lim Cheng Ban and the other 5 respondents hold on to the security for costs pursuant to Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali’s order to Petitioner to provide security for costs and in the absence of any Order to set aside the 1st Order for security for costs, the conduct of Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali together with the conduct of the 6 respondents IN TAKING AND KEEPING SAID RM.60,000 not amount to committing the criminal offence of obtaining money under false pretences ? And further, do the facts not indicate that Judge Zainon binti Mohd. Ali together with the 6 respondents had acted with a common intention to induce Petitioner to pay said Rm.60,000 while not intending that upon payment of said Rm.60,000 THERE WILL BE A COURT TRIAL OF SAID PETITION ? The being the case do the facts not constitute a conspiracy to obtain money under false pretences ? The facts speak for themselves as an investigation will prove.
Will the Attorney General investigate said 2 police reports and if the investigation give up facts that will support criminal charges against the said parties, will the Attorney General lay criminal charges against such persons ?
Petitioner’s husband Yap Chong Yee had formally filed 2 police reports at the Balai Polis Jln. Tun H S Lee, in the first police report Yap Chong Yee had CHARGED the respondents Stephen Lim Cheng Ban, Wong Kem Chen and Kwong Sea Yoon with PERJURY, for having lied in their supporting affidavits applying for security for costs.
In the second police report Yap Chong Yee had Charged Stephen Lim Cheng Ban with FORGERY, PERJURY AND FABRICATION OF EVIDENCE, contained in his supporting affidavits applying for leave to strike out said petition.
Both police reports were annexed to Petitioner’s affidavits as exhibits supporting Petitioner’s application for leave to cross examine said 3 respondents for PERJURY & FORGERY and both of Petitioner’s applications were refused leave to cross examine said Respondents, by Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali. The refusal by Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali to allow Petitioner leave to cross examine Respondent Stephen Lim and made in the face of the existence of 2 FORMAL POLICE REPORTS THAT CHARGED STEPHEN LIM CHENG BAN with Perjury & forgery constitutes the charge of MALFEASANCE, AIDING & ABETTING Stephen Lim Cheng Ban to commit the criminal offences of PERJURY & FORGERY.
Will the Attorney General investigate these criminal charges that are made against Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali and if sufficient evidence is uncovered that will support criminal charges, will the Attorney General prefer criminal charges against Judge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali; will the attorney General formally charge Dato Zainon binti Mohd. Ali with the said criminal offences ?
Comment by yap.chongyee — May 7, 2008 @ 2:47 am